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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Kairos le Tisseur le Mer 13 Juin 2012 - 6:41

Hum, en un voilà qui cache son jeu Rolling Eyes et qui bosse chez GW (spéculation gratuite je sais). cyclops Si t'as des infos de première main faut pas hésiter à nous en faire profiter l'ami. What a Face

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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Corax le Mer 13 Juin 2012 - 7:20

Super Extrait Merci Arkio .

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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Emperor le Mer 13 Juin 2012 - 11:31


Aaah ça à l'air sympa ! On se croirait revenu en cette bonne vieille époque de L’Ascension d'Horus / Les Faux Dieux. Very Happy

Sympa aussi de revoir le prédécesseur de Loken en live. okay





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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Maestitia le Mer 13 Juin 2012 - 17:15

James est un bon auteur en VO et un peu trop mou en VF, me demandez pas pourquoi j'en sais rien.

Mais je sais qu"il y a énormément de gens qui l'attendent.
Je ne pense pas qu'on sera déçu Wink


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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Garvieloken le Mer 13 Juin 2012 - 17:55

Très bonne traduction !!! Le livre en tout cas à l'air très intéressant... Very Happy


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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par - Ghost of Arkio - le Mer 13 Juin 2012 - 22:03

Merci pour les retours sur la trad Smile

...ah, les Blood Angels et Sanguinius, c'est la poule aux oeufs d'or et un élément central du fluff (seul primarque à avoir affronté Horus avec l'Empereur+bataille de Terra aux 1ères loges) il était temps qu'on se penche sur cette Legio (au 19ème tome!!)

En effet, on a tous en tête 'Meurtre' et les dialogues de Abnett entre Sanguinius et Horus; je suis content aussi de voir qu'il va faire du flashback! Wink

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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Jago Sevatarion le Mer 13 Juin 2012 - 23:14

Ah voilà un livre qu'il me tarde d'avoir entre les mimines ^^.
Revoir les Luna Wolves et Horus va me ramener aux souvenirs de ma lecture de cet âge d'or d'avant l'hérésie.

A la lecture de l'extrait (merci Ghost), ça promet d'envoyer du lourd. Manque plus qu'un petit bouquin sur Jagathai et ses motards :-)!


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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Solathen le Jeu 14 Juin 2012 - 20:34

Certains anglophones ayant déjà terminé le bouquin (Oui les chanceux) je mets ci-dessous les infos récupérées:
Spoiler:

La Dramatis personae est importante mais moins que dans Know no fear.
Il y a un apothicaire BA nommé Meros et le capitaine BA fondant les Flesh Tearers.
La présence des commémorateurs est faible dans le récit.
Les Légions présentent dans le romans sont Les Blood Angels, Luna Wolves et accompagnant les BA sur Signis: Space Wolves et Word Bearers, d'ailleurs aucun des SW ne devraient en revenir et bien sûr les tenant de la "nouvelle foi" vont jouer leur rôle.
Les 2 grands méchants sont bien Ka'Bandha et Kyriss mais ce dernier slaneshi joue un rôle plus présent que dans l'ancien fluff.

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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Corax le Jeu 14 Juin 2012 - 21:00

Intéressant Spoiler j'ai hâte de l'avoir en Français.

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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Solathen le Sam 16 Juin 2012 - 22:53

Superbe extrait dans le Hammer and bolter 21 de juin disponible depuis aujourd'hui.

Spoiler:
Une vision plus large de la bataille de Melchior regroupant les BA et LW c/ les Zélotes Xenos. De la Dramatis personae avec des noms de protagonistes et une taille de légion qui interpelle. Une découverte fraternelle qui nous renseigne sur la peur des primarques d'être le 3ème a être effacé des archives. Et enfin une redéfinition du fluff classique des BA dans une vision plus prosperine si je peux dire.
James Swallow ne me déçoit pas pour l'instant, j'attends la suite avec impatience.

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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Solathen le Sam 30 Juin 2012 - 17:28

Fear to tread à l'instar de Shadow of treachery était en vente aujourd'hui au Warhammer World à Nottingam pour célébrer la V6, donc surement des Spoiler bientôt. Very Happy

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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Administration le Sam 30 Juin 2012 - 17:43

merci Solathen ! Que des bonnes nouvelles ! Very Happy
Bientôt les premiers retours alors de nos amis grands britons.

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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Maestitia le Sam 30 Juin 2012 - 18:45

Celui-là j'ai vraiment hâte de le lire et j'espère qu'il sera bon, sinon ça va barder!!!
(j'ai peur du syndrome de Prospero Brûle...)


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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Solathen le Jeu 12 Juil 2012 - 20:04

Les exemplaires récupérés par nos frères d'Albion ayant été terminés nous avons de très belles critiques pleines de spoiler

Spoiler:
I believe that this was already revealed in an extract in Hammer and Bolter but ill chuck it on here anyway: The Red thirst exists in the time of the crusade, though in extremely limited numbers (Sanguinius mentions it affecting maybe a hundred brothers over a similar space of time.)

The book opens with a section detailing the Luna Wolves and Blood Angels in battle against an alien race called the Nephilim. In the wake of the battle, Captain Raldoron informs Sanguinius that a brother has become "lost". Sangy follows and finds a Blood Angel crouched in the ruins of a chapel, sipping blood from a cupped hand. The Primarch tries to reason with him but the Bloodie is too far gone and attacks Sanguinius who has no choice but to kill him by breaking his neck.
In the aftermath, it turns out Horus had followed his brother and witnessed the whole thing, Sangunius admits that there is a flaw hidden in his Legion's geneseed. When Horus asks why he never told the Emperor, Sanguinius alludes to the lost legions, suggesting the Blood Angels would be put down, so to speak.

This revelation is used in the main meat of the book, Horus sending the legion to the Signus Cluster, first under the pretense that the Nephilim have emerged, but also informing Sanguinius that the xenos have some technology that could provide a cure.

Obviously this is all part of Horus' plan to ensnare the Blood Angels. Interestingly, there is a difference of interests amongst the chaos forces. It seems the Powers that be (represented by Kyriss the keeper of secrets and Kabandha, Ol Big axe himself), want to corrupt the Legion and Sanguinius, using the flaw to lure them onto the path of Khornate worship. Horus on the other hand refuses to even try to influence his brother, demanding that he be killed and offering his skull up to Kabandha. Kyriss senses that Horus is afraid that Sanguinius under the sway of chaos would rise to be a greater star than him and therefore he would rather corrupt Sangunius' legion and break the Angel's heart.

Sanguinius is handled brilliantly as a character, exuding the right mix of nobility and humanity that you would expect, but also counter balanced by his more fearsome war aspect. There is a scene following Ullanor where Horus retires to his quarters, his mind filled with doubts about taking on the mantle of Warmaster. Sanguinius turns up and with a few easy words, lifts the weight from his brothers shoulders. It was nice to see that sort of interaction, just to emphasise the fact that Sangunius was the one primarch that made an effort to connect with his brothers on each of their own levels.

The Action in the Signus cluster is well handled, with planets turning erratically on their axis and then collapsing in on themselves, millions of corpses arranged into a space borne eight pointed star. There's a simple sequence where a veil falls across the sector, blotting out the stars. It's relatively small in the scheme of the book, but Jim Swallow turns into a very haunting moment.

The Red Angel! Early on in the book, we see Erebus coerce Fabius bile into relinquishing one of the legionnaire corpses he has in storage. It seems Fabius has been acquiring bodies from all sides, using them to further his experiments. Erebus promises not to tell Horus if he is allowed to take one of the Blood Angel ones.
This turns out to be Captain Tagas of the 11th Company who died on Murder (Metal spider xenos from Horus Rising anyone?) Tagas' Soul/warp essence/insert metaphysical term here is then used to empower a vast amount of warp energy that is shackled upon Signus Prime. This energy is harnessed by Kabandha and channeled into a monstrous blow that slays five hundred Blood Angels at once. The psychic backlash overwhelms Sanguinius and the energy exacerbates the flaw within the blood angels geneseed.

We are led to believe Tagas to be the Red Angel throughout, however it turns out that it is in fact a legion Apothecary by the name of Meros. With the red thirst raging unchecked, Sanguinius is faced with a choice- Take the corrupting rage energy unto himself, becoming damned, or watch as his legion degenerates into savages. Meros kinda Alexanders the whole knot and sacrifices himself up, becoming the Red Angel.

Hmmm what else.... Raldoron is of typical "Hardcore first captain" template. He was passable to me but he comes across as just another Ventanus.

Azkaellon is an absolute starch arse. Not in a detrimental way however, it's a very deliberate choice. His manner is borne out of being solely responsible for the well being of a demi god.

Amit....oh Amit. If you like Flesh Tearers, you'll love Amit. He's known as the Flesh Tearer within the legion and his company all carry flaying knives. He's fantastically blunt and Sanguinius confides in him that he considers Raldoron and Amit to be his closest sons, particularly Amit because his forthright manner keeps him honest. When things turn south at Signus, He is first to voice the idea that Horus has betrayed them, earning an almighty clout from Sanguinius but standing his ground never the less. I liked him a lot.

The Bloodies are joined by a small space wolves contingent. It seems they were dispatched to keep an eye on the Legion following the cleansing of prospero, just in case they go a bit wiggy too. I'm afraid they don't meet a good end, being mauled by Amit and co whilst in the grip of the red thirst.

Spoiler:
Horus and Sanguinius discussing the Lost near the beginning of the novel. This scene shows how much they trust each other, and how good of a person Horus used to be. He was willing to keep this secret even from the Emperor, he loved his brother Sanguinius that much. And Traitor Horus used that knowledge to try and kill Sanguinius. Its heartbreaking.

Amit finally doing what fans of the Heresy have wanted somebody to do since the start, just outright saying Horus is a traitor. It nearly got him killed by Sanguinius but it was awesome to see a Space Marine finally admit what is obvious but nobody dares contemplate because its just too horrible. And Amit's actions during the Ragefire were horrific, he was not in control so it earns him much pity, as does his reaction once he is clear-headed. This adds real depth to the Flesh Tearer, and perhaps to his future scions.

Sanguinius re-entering the battle, pinning Kyriss to the wall with his sword, and strangling Ka'Bandha to death while tearing his wings off. And his final declaration to him, to tell his kindred in hell that Sanguinius threw him back, then hurling the cursing and bleeding Bloodthirster into the pit is one of the best scenes in the Heresy yet imo. And then his killing of Kyriss in revenge for everything that has befallen them at Signus and how he casually examined the Daemon's head before flicking it away in disgust. Epic!

Meros' final sacrifice was heartshattering, and his quote "There will be sacrifice, but not by you!" was incredible. To defy his Primarch for the greater good and become the Red Angel, even if he could never have predicted what would happen to him, was heroic. Rafen should be 100x prouder to have Meros' gene-seed than he already is, because he is carrying a true hero's legacy. I can't wait to see what will happen to the Red Angel now that it has moved on from Tagas's hatred and feelings of abandonment to Meros, and perhaps the small spark of Meros that remains will yield some interesting results in the future.

Sanguinius got a black teardrop tattoo! That is so gangster!

Spoiler:
The Space Wolves were an interesting part of the novel. For them to kill Sanguinius is of course not gonna happen, and I don't doubt that Malcador would have preferred to send a squad of Custodes which could have managed the job if they were lucky and went about it the right way. But a squad of Custodes would have raised too many questions and couldn't have gotten out there in time. The Wolves were the only option, and the Rune Priest was a part of it likely because they felt he'd be the best candidate to try and disable Sanguinius. Also I think Jonor Stiel wasn't as biased towards the Warp as other Rune Priests and Russ, so he was willing to admit that perhaps their power doesn't come from Fenris.

I don't think its that Harox didn't have any balls, the fact that he tried to kill Raldoron on his own proves that he did. I think its just he recognized that Kreed was a grasping fanatic and decided to just keep his mouth shut rather than risk getting executed for saying something and having Kreed take it the wrong way. As for Kreed I don't dispute that he was a lackey, I think he was a lackey that believed himself to be a boss and wanted to prove that. He dared to converse with Kyriss and Ka'Bandha because he had become a part of that scheme with Horus and Ka'Bandha to cheat the Gods and he felt it gave him some entitlement.

Rescuing Hengist was a kind thing of them to do, they never even asked what he did. But of course he was an undercover cultist, a smart move by Erebus that nearly cost the Blood Angels everything. But I liked the Pariah Niobe more, I felt she was very strong and brave by going into the Cathedral with the Angels. I figured out that she was a Pariah when that woman said that only around Niobe did she stop having nightmares, read that part then went over a few things in my head and came to a conclusion. Pariah.

The City Daemons were cool, especially how they behaved as if they were made of flesh and every part of them was described as it would be in an organic body. Arms made of traincars, arteries made of subway systems and sewers, troops made of lamp-posts and highway signs. It was a really imaginative sequence, plus I liked the tension in the scenes when Xargan and the Word Bearer are killed mysteriously.

The Red Angel definitely showed his stones there, willing to challenge Angron for the Red Angel title. I doubt Angron cares about it. And Erebus getting his face flayed off by Horus... that was AWESOME! I really like Erebus but he deserved that, and those who hate him will be rejoicing over that scene.

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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Sanguinius le Jeu 12 Juil 2012 - 20:14

Tout ça est plus que croustillant, ça promet du très très lourd. merci pour ces infos, Solathen.


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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par - Ghost of Arkio - le Sam 14 Juil 2012 - 19:21

...l'Ange Rouge... Amit... un lien de descendance vers le dyptique... délicieux menu!

Content aussi de voir que les forces du Chaos sont déjà en train de se tirer dans les pattes les uns les autres (tel dieux// tel renégats). Horus ne pourra décidemment jamais faire l'unanimité, mais on va sans doute mieux comprendre pourquoi notre cher Papa Empereur n'a pas donné la timbale à Sanguinius (Ullanor) ...

J'espère encore des allusions à Baal (et pas seulement le tatouage de gang de sa majesté Sanguinius - TB idée au passage)

Une légion à 1/2 damnée qui a quand même réussi à traverser 10,000 ans de castagne; beaucoup de place pour une dramaturgie anti-manichéenne! ça promet en tous cas Twisted Evil

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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Solathen le Ven 20 Juil 2012 - 15:36

Le nouvel opus est disponible en PREORDER en ANGLAIS depuis aujourd'hui, avec une sortie mi-AOUT 2012:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/fear-to-tread.html

Trailer de sortie du roman:


Extrait inédit du roman:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF//f/fear-to-tread.pdf

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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par - Ghost of Arkio - le Ven 20 Juil 2012 - 17:40

..preorder à l'instant, avec un 2nd Swallow (La Foi & Le Feu)

Pour Sanguinius!!

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Message par Maestitia le Ven 20 Juil 2012 - 18:21

Miam, miam vite vite dans la popoche =D


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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Solathen le Ven 20 Juil 2012 - 18:47

C'est "un peu" le lieu: Le guide du routard du système de Signus Razz




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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par - Ghost of Arkio - le Ven 20 Juil 2012 - 20:21

Merci Solathen,

j'ai hate de lire comment la IXème légion s'empare d'un amas de systèmes,
et comment ils se comportent en Flotte de combat autonome.
(à comparer avec la purge de Contqual p.e.)

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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Administration le Ven 10 Aoû 2012 - 15:51

La Black Library propose depuis aujourd’hui ce roman en version audio MP3, achetable et téléchargeable en ligne depuis leur site au prix de 26 €.

Fear to Tread (Unabridged audiobook)

Since the earliest days of the Great Crusade, Sanguinius – angelic primarch of the IXth Legion – was ever among the closest and most loyal of Horus’s brothers. But the Blood Angels have long kept their true nature hidden from the rest of the Imperium, and when the Warmaster hints that the key to their salvation may lie in the ruins of a conquered world, the sons of Sanguinius race to claim it. Now, as the revelation of their betrayal dawns and the traitors’ hand is revealed, the Blood Angels must face all the warp-spawned armies of Chaos, as well their own personal daemons, upon the blasted plains of Signus Prime...

Running Time: Approx 15 hours. Read by Gareth Armstrong.

Par ICI d) Fear to Tread (Unabridged audiobook)




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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par - Ghost of Arkio - le Ven 10 Aoû 2012 - 16:36

Quelqu'un a-t-il déjà écouté un Audio drama de Gareth Armstrong?
ça vaudrait le coup?

Je lirais déjà le livre par principe mais l'idée des 15heures de MP3 me tente pour la 1ere fois et pour l'occasion.

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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par Maestitia le Ven 10 Aoû 2012 - 18:00

- Ghost of Arkio - a écrit:Quelqu'un a-t-il déjà écouté un Audio drama de Gareth Armstrong?
ça vaudrait le coup?

Je lirais déjà le livre par principe mais l'idée des 15heures de MP3 me tente pour la 1ere fois et pour l'occasion.
Non, jamais écouter parler ce type. Le plus souvent c'est Toby Longworth qui narre ou incarne certains personnages.

Après, n'oublie pas une chose, c'est un Audio Book et non un Audio Drama.
Beaucoup plus long certes, mais avec moins d'ambiance. C'est un détail qui a son importance Wink


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Re: [Horus Heresy] Fear to tread de James Swallow

Message par - Ghost of Arkio - le Ven 10 Aoû 2012 - 20:12

alors c'est tout vu.

autant j'adore le côté homme orchestre de Toby Longworth,
autant je vais m'endormir si c'est juste de la lecture pendant 15h.

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